infrastructure, for environment, for climate. a lot of other americans do also. they don't really see what's coming necessarily because now it's being aggressively disgu e disguised, but i think it's very dangerous. >> in your book "civilization" you talk about the fact that cultures and civil gations are not simply about figures, about math. they're about things like compassion and human respect for other humans who may be in need. these two don't regard that, they don't even mention those kind of issues. >> if you look at what ryan over the years has proposed, he said let's balance the budget by cutting right at the knees the poorest people in our country, going after medicaid, going after the income support for the most vulnerable people in our country. now, those people don't necessarily vote. they have no voice in the political campaigns, they're not heard, but the callousness of this is really disgusting actually, and this is at the core of it. of course, that's the whole ayn rand philosophy which he also ascribed to all the time until very recently. now, no, no, that's theory.
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